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typhon![]() Level 11 Posts: 112 |
This post is inspired by vivaciouswoman's comment in another thread (appended below) about ghosts or "bogus people." It is presently possible, I would guess, to "invite" yourself to PMOG via any number of email addresses and to plunder the resulting Shoats of DP, Mines, etc. The total value of the initial tools is quite high. I would suspect that this practice would show up in the Trading forum where lots of excess items would be for sale. Of course, looted or donated DP doesn't contribute to leveling, but a glance at missions that offer DP rewards shows that cash-DP (as it were) can be converted to earned DP (this is not to say that such missions are crassly created for such a purpose - treasure hunts are the soul of PMOG!). However, the creation of phantom users or drones violates the spirit of PMOG. Now if only a few players do it, they could just be shrugged off as soulless philistines. But if it becomes a common practice it may poison our community, not to mention clogging the system with droves of phantom users. Fortunately, though, there are some easy fixes that our Trustees could implement. The simplest would be to impose restrictions on giving by 1st-level users. They could be kept from giving more than a certain number of items or a set number of DP to any one user. This wouldn't affect normal game play, but it would prevent Shoats from endowing someone with all they possess and then essentially deactivating. Anyone who is willing to play one username up to level 2 just to give all its resources away to another of his/her usernames is welcome to the insanity. Talk about non-passive! Finally, inactive 1st-level usernames could be deleted after a certain period (or deactivated until/unless someone actually logs back in). This would clear the lists of all those who show up as "Level 1 Shoats" week after week. It could also free up usernames. Finding a nice username isn't a problem now, but as PMOG grows, the AIM problem will surely emerge as thousands of perfectly good names are locked up forever by inactive accounts. >@vivaciouswoman "I just noticed that about 1 day ago Superman
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lord-yo![]() Level 9 Posts: 46 |
This post reminded me of another possible exploit: If creating missions gives you DP, creating bogus missions and deleting them shortly afterwards might be used to generate free DP. In this case, all mission deletions should cost you DP, as much as it earns you to create one. |
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pixielo Steward ![]() Level 20 Posts: 2741 |
Generating a mission does not earn you any dp...not that I've noticed. It's the people taking the mission that earns you the dp. On the next tip, I'm just playing devil's advocate--arguing against the points for the sake of debate. I'm far nicer in RL. ; ) "It is presently possible, I would guess, to "invite" yourself to PMOG via any number of email addresses and to plunder the resulting Shoats of DP, Mines, etc." Okay...but why? Sure, you'd have more Tools--but Tools are pretty easy to get, especially when you're below level 5. I can see new users trying to 'game the system' only to realize that earned dp is just that, and not a commodity to be transferred. They would then give up (I hope!) "The total value of the initial tools is quite high. I would suspect that this practice would show up in the Trading forum where lots of excess items would be for sale." A high initial value to who? And items for sale are pretty freely available to everyone, and profits don't net you earned dp.
"Of course, looted or donated DP doesn't contribute to leveling, but a glance at missions that offer DP rewards shows that cash-DP (as it were) can be converted to earned DP (this is not to say that such missions are crassly created for such a purpose - treasure hunts are the soul of PMOG!)." Huh? Any looted dp is not earned dp. Can you explain how looted dp can be converted to earned dp by any other method than creating a mission? Please? "However, the creation of phantom users or drones violates the spirit of PMOG. Now if only a few players do it, they could just be shrugged off as soulless philistines. But if it becomes a common practice it may poison our community, not to mention clogging the system with droves of phantom users." I could not agree with you more! |
typhon![]() Level 11 Posts: 112 |
OK, here's what I meant by saying that looted DP can be converted to earned DP. I did mean by creating a mission. If someone takes your mission, you earn DP (it counts toward leveling). If you use looted DP to encourage people to take a mission, you're essentially converting looted DP to earned DP. All you have to do is say, "take this mission and I will give you 20 DP." For everyone who takes you up, you earn 10 DP (earned) at a cost of 30 DP (looted) (10 plus the crate cost -I'm not counting the lightpost cost 'cause that's a one-time fee that would soon sink into insignificance). That would be a 3:1 exchange rate of lootedDP:earnedDP. So far, I don't think anyone is doing this, thank heavens. And if someone did, surely the rest of us wouldn't prostitute ourselves for 20DP, or even 30, or... I have seen people selling tools for DP in the Trade forum, though. Again, so far it just seems to be extra tools that they don't want, not tools looted from sacrificial Shoats! I'm actually appalled that I can even imagine such crass and worthless pmoggery! But if we grow larger, it's possible that some villains will derive a sadistic pleasure from gaming our fair system, so it's up to us to help the Trustees build in checks and safeguards to protect our steampunk meritocracy. Or maybe not. Perhaps PMOG should be another experiment in libertarian anarchism like so many other online games. Thoughts? |
lord-yo![]() Level 9 Posts: 46 |
I did hear rumors of Chinese bogus mission click-farms. |
vivaciouswoman![]() Level 15 Posts: 37 |
Ahh, but don't you get 200 EARNED DP every time an invitee signs up? Sign up 10 bogus buddies, and you've got 2000 earned DP, yes? Not insignificant, especially since that's about all I've earned in a fairly active week of play! |
sarastani![]() Level 13 Posts: 432 |
Yeah Lord-yo
Pixielo is actually now playing 5 accounts at once while she heals her leg and earning dps for many people. All those people had to is give her some cake and a link to food wrestling. :) The bogus buddy thing is a bit annoying, but it will all get tightened up. Beta beta beta |
lord-yo![]() Level 9 Posts: 46 |
@sarastani: I knew it! Well, I suppose some of these problems would go away if we had another dimension in the PMOG economy - currency vs experience points. They could be related (XP earns you money, but not the other way around). Did you know that EVE Online (which has an excellent skill training system btw) had hired an economist to take care of the goods and money flow? |
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pixielo Steward ![]() Level 20 Posts: 2741 |
*hides the gold farm under the couch...
As long as I've got to chill, I will be the missionating monster, that's for sure. Using the lists of sites in blogs is a decent way to finagle tons of dp--if you don't stop and read too much. A huge economy in this game? Other games that are much, much more involved, like 2nd Life or EVE totally do require economic monitoring--but I do guess that anything is possible, even trying to build up one in Pmog. |
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