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Just a quick note.
Training the players' class assignment on the number of missions taken by a certain class has turned out not to work well.
The idea was to infer the ranking from a community choice, but there actually is no choice, since not even the class information is displayed in the "you discovered a mission". Checking out the author's page beforehand obviously is an effort hardly made.
Also intuitively, I do not see any connection between mission content and class. Only a minority of missions can be built around PMOG-classes, mostly we'll have to deal with ordinary bookmark collections and linklists. A thing possibly worth inferring from missions taken may be the affinity to certain tags, which the author of the mission can assign and use this information to user-specifically recalculate the weighting (number of stars) of a mission toward the threshold.

by great_justice 7 months ago
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Also, this is a duplicate thread.

by db0 7 months ago
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Of course we want to create duplicate threads to reinforce opinion. I try to get better than "*bump*" for the content. =)

As for
>>how exactly would the Missionater go about creatively tagging their mission

If I was to implement it, I'd get a list of feasible topics from StumbleUpon - after all PMOG is like the Gameboy version of it. Then have these presented as tagging defaults while also allowing arbitrarily "creative" tagging. Ultimately we'd like to have a distinct subset of all available tags identify the users taste in missions/websites, which they passively select by taking the appropriately tagged missions*. Under the assumption that each tag represents a factor, i.e. each pair of tags is semantically disjoint, we'd then calculate the (cosine of the) angle between the tag-vectors of mission and user.
Now having 2 parameters: mission rating [0,1] (albeit {0,0.25,0.5,0.75,1}) and the cosine-measure [0,1] (since we have {0,1}* vectors), we can combine them cleverly or just take their mean value as new compatbility rating.
Additionally we may introduce a coefficient for the "trainedness" of a user's tag-collection, in order not to spoil mission rankings for new users.

*after-mission-rating may involve an updating of the mission's tags by the user.

This, one could do. As you said, there is absolutely no connection between association and mission content. The choice of weapons in PMOG is an active one, while the class assignment is calculated from it (please correct me if I am mistaken) PLUS(read: combined with) "mission class" which is determined by the class of its author, but not its content.
Eventually my personal greed (getting the points for a finished mission) is greater than my loyality to a class (by aborting an interesting mission from the wrong author on the last page).

Hence, one might ask quite provocatively: Does PMOG endorse apartheid of classes?

by great_justice 7 months ago
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So, basically, you would like to take cool missions without messing up your chosen Associations?

I admit that I skipped the large parts of your second post, it's rather hard to read, and honestly is just not that clear.

Six people in IRC read and discussed this post, and had a bit of a giggle. Thanks for that!

Once again:
'The choice of weapons in PMOG is an active one'
Sure. Use any Tool you like; be aware that using more than 10 could affect your Association. I liken 10 Tools to one Mission.

'...while the class assignment is calculated from it (please correct me if I am mistaken)'
Not mistaken, just overthinking the importance of Tool use. I honestly really ignore Tool use unless I'm dropping hundreds of mines, dozens of crates, etc.

PLUS(read: combined with) "mission class" which is determined by the class of its author, but not its content.
Yes.

As far as any mention of apartheid, I think that's an inappropriate term for any facet of Pmog gameplay. Sure, there are natural rivalries between different Associations, but I also see natural sympathies between them.
Pathmakers and Seers are not mutually exclusive, but seek to lay the paths, some clear, and some twisted...
Bedouins and Vigilantes, looking for the Destroyers who lay waste to the carefully laid paths...
Destroyers and Seers, looking to shake up your searches...
But that of course, is if you want to read attributes into each Association instead of just digging the clothes or background image of the avatar!

by pixielo 6 months ago
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