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maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	As a new user - who was experiencing bugs with getting the toolbar working [dual-username saved issue] . . . having someone come and place half a dozen mines on my user page, which I keep having to go back to to get my toolbar working [also fixed now] . . . just about drove me from the game. It ruined the fun of it and frankly was quite rude of them. My reaction is that new users should have their user page protected from mines for at least a day or until they are level two, or something. After that, have at them! Maybe give them a warning that someone attempted to, show them the effects, but no damage until they have been there for a bit. Otherwise, as I said, I almost quit as a result it was obnoxious and did not qualify as fun. Yah, I think this might qualify as a rant, not sure though. by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
orangerineman Level 20 Destroyer Posts: 554	That's actually not a bad idea, though I think the community is moving away from picking on poor little shoats. However, people tend to drop mines on profiles when they run into that person's mines "in the wild." I've been hasty at times, but because I realized I might be causing a problem like this I lightened up a little. Anyway, it would definitely be a while for this feature to come in to play due to the small team at PMOG and giant list of stuff they probably are already doing, but I think it's a good idea. That almost qualifies as a rant too! by orangerineman 8 months ago \| Permalink
triskillion Level 10 Seer Posts: 8	Good idea. A little grace period allowing you to get used to the setting. I tend to get a little mine happy and retaliate when one is tripped. by triskillion 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	@orange: Good point! I had not thought of that being a potential reason. I had mined an article, out of curiosity for how it work, and I believe the person who is now punishing my user page was the one that ran into it. But the level of "revenge" has got to the point of just being petty. Perhaps, if when he first did it I had something that showed the connection between his placing a mine on my page and his having ran into my first mine - I would not have had quite the same reaction. Instead it would have reinforced the idea of "be careful what you mine." I was thinking the drawback to this is someone could, theoretically, create a bunch of level 1's and mine pages without any repercussions to themselves... Which would suck. by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
pixielo Level 20 Pathmaker Posts: 3706	Perhaps a 48 hour grace period...otherwise you could artificially hold yourself at a lower level to avoid mines, as maztec mentioned... by pixielo 8 months ago \| Permalink
dogcat Level 9 Seer Posts: 14	I think a better approach would be to give new users a noticeable warning when they sign up along the lines of "Be careful where you lay mines, veteran players may retaliate with extreme force!" Reinforcing the idea that actions have consequences is superior to enforced hand-holding any day of the week. emberdione taught me a little lesson about careless mining my first day and it definitely made an impression upon me. ;) by dogcat 8 months ago \| Permalink
pixielo Level 20 Pathmaker Posts: 3706	Okay, I now totally agree with @Dogcat... ; ) by pixielo 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	dogcat: True enough. On the other hand, I still have not ran through all of the mines that cultofrosalyn has placed on my user page. Either that or they're not really "blowing up". I wish there was a way of telling how many were there. :( I am assuming ten at the moment since that is how many he recently deployed. But, with ongoing toolbar problems that only seem to resolve when I go to my user page, every time I go there it just reinforces the feeling of, "forget this". Then again, I'm a bit of a die-hard when it comes to testing something out and it is so easy not to uninstall. ;) by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
justin Trustee Level 20 Destroyer Posts: 74	you might want to post a link to the user: http://pmog.com/users/cultofrosalyn who was the active mine-layer on your new user profile ;-) by justin 8 months ago \| Permalink
merci Trustee Level 16 Benefactor Posts: 269	This is really interesting. I like dogcat's suggestion, we definitely need more handholding. Thanks, guys. It takes us a while to implement the helpful suggestions, but we totally appreciate. by merci 8 months ago \| Permalink
tasogare Level 6 Vigilante Posts: 9	I think putting mines on profiles should be disabled in general. <_>< I might be new, so I didn't even know this was possible, but it seems really stupid to let immature users harass such an important page as one's user profile. I really think there ought to be a "safe zone" of some kind there! by tasogare 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	justin: What do you mean by that suggestion? I don't see any location for implementing that. However, I did mark them up as a rival - because at this point I just flat out feel harassed by the actor. tasogare: That was my original reaction also. However, there are many positives and negatives with being able to do it. Positive: Vengeance shall be mine! Negative: Vengeance is too easy! This lead me to another thought of having some type of temporary device that allows protection of a specific page. Essentially St. Nicks for a page rather than a person. They could be single use or multi-use. Perhaps as a way of creating order and protecting public space temporarily. Additionally, it would be a nice alternative to my wanting to place a mine on every news article that has a bombing in it. Putting a mine there is tacky, but the irony is just oh-so-delicious. On the other hand, the ability to place a protection over it would be making a statement. by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
czarchron Steward Level 14 Destroyer Posts: 826	Well the only way to specifically affect another player is to drop things on their profile page, like crates. Otherwise you don't know if that person will ever "find" a crate or mine that you were trying to leave for them. But I agree that mining a Shoat's profile is grievous. Of course no one minds the crates. I like dogcat's suggestion too. But if you are going to solve this with code... instead of a signup grace period to block mines on Shoats profiles, how about a 'Cry for HELP' tool? It would allow a player to message all Destroyers and Bedouins (or everybody) online to help: by either attacking the grief-er with mines. Or ... I guess on profiles no one but the player can access the personal mine or crate left? Okay the idea needs work. It would be kind of like community policing. by czarchron 8 months ago \| Permalink
pixielo Level 20 Pathmaker Posts: 3706	@Maztec Just check the events feed to see who was mining you...and then post that link here so that we can all jump in and mine them on your behalf...that's what Justin meant... ; ) Walls are apparently going to be implemented at some point, until then, Nick away... by pixielo 8 months ago \| Permalink
czarchron Steward Level 14 Destroyer Posts: 826	... setting out a couple of mines, "safety off, check" examining my coil of trip wire. "mmmm, this is gonna be sweet revenge!" by czarchron 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	Pixielo, aha that makes sense. Well he posted it for me then ;). I will keep that in mind though. Ooooh, these things could escalate to the point of being absolutely vicious. Is there any way to tell what all of the associations someone has are? It would be a great way to know how to best retaliate. Although, I am not sure how you would "retaliate" against most of the classes other than setting mines on them. It seems the best retaliation for a destroyer is to load them up on St. Nicks. I don't suppose there is a maximum number that can be set on one person? ;) by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
remus Level 10 Seer Posts: 8	There's actually a max of 5 St. Nicks on a user at a time. by remus 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	I suppose it would be "cheating" to make a script that watches their profile, checks for being hit by your St. Nicks, then loads them back up with St. Nicks :p by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
lehall Steward Level 11 Destroyer Posts: 80	Off-topic comment: the number of cute animal icons on this thread pleases me. by lehall 8 months ago \| Permalink
pixielo Level 20 Pathmaker Posts: 3706	@maztec Yes, I imagine that would be considered cheating... So..please don't!! ~+~ @tasogare Mining profiles is teh fun! Perhaps a limit of 10 mines laid per player would be a good thing, or those of us who have hundreds of mine could make serious annoyances of ourselves... As it is, it is no longer possible to mine any Pmog pages outside of profile pages... So, suck it up and buy some armour and keep your Nicks stocked up... by pixielo 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	Ooh, that would be fun. Setting something on your page so that fresh mines blow up on the person setting them. Would have to seriously limit how many of those you could put on your page though. Oh yes, and thank you for everyone's generosity. I admit, I got a bit carried away when I just came on and found another servo of mines on my page. I fear tomorrow is going to get me labeled as a destroyer. :( by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
dogcat Level 9 Seer Posts: 14	I thought about this some more and came up with a compromise between a simple warning and a newbie protection period. Newbies can't be mined/nicked for 24-48 hours, if they try to use mines/nicks during this period they receive a warning with a yes/no confirmation dialog that they will be breaking protection and will become vulnerable. This should keep veterans from tormenting new players immediately after they sign up as well as making newbies think twice about using mines and nicks carelessly. by dogcat 8 months ago \| Permalink
maztec Level 19 Pathmaker Posts: 55	Warning: By placing [a mine in the wild [/on a user's profile] / a St. Nick on another player] you open yourself to retaliation from other players. Retaliation can come in many forms, but may include stacking you with St. Nick's or loading your user page with mines. You have [XX] grace hours remaining before anyone can mine or St. Nick you, by placing a mine now this grace period is terminated instantly. Are you sure you want to go forward with this action? Warning: Your initial grace period from being mined or having a St. Nick placed on your user profile has ended. You are now fair game to other users. Good luck! by maztec 8 months ago \| Permalink
pixielo Level 20 Pathmaker Posts: 3706	Once again, I totally agree with Dogcat... by pixielo 8 months ago \| Permalink
kittyhawk Level 6 Seer Posts: 68	I agree with Pixelo, who is agreeing with Dogcat. I also agree with Lehall, but I wonder if we can't find a picture for Dogcat that's got some cat in it. :) by kittyhawk 8 months ago \| Permalink